What is the difference between iranian aryan and persian?
Asketh - Anonymous
I think you might be the same anon that just asked “Ok I’m Iranian but I don’t even now if I’m aryan or persian :O”
This is quite a simple yet at the same time complex thing to discuss. I have a MAJOR migraine right now but I’ll try my best lol.
Ok “The term Aryan has generally been used historically to denote the Indo-Iranians because Arya is the self designation of the Indo-Iranian languages and their speakers, specifically theIranian and the Indo-Aryan peoples, collectively known as the Indo-Iranians.”
"The Indo-Iranians and their expansion are strongly associated with the Proto-Indo-European invention of the chariot. It is assumed that this expansion spread from the Proto-Indo-European homeland north of the Caspian sea south to the Caucasus, Central Asia, the Iranian plateau, and Northern India. They also expanded into Mesopotamia and Syria and introduced the horse and chariot culture to this part of the world.”
So this is quite detailed. Basically especially the area around Northern Iran near the caspian sea, around 4000BCE there was an ethnic group which were mixed with Europeans, I mean they basically were a subtype of whit europeans. They were most Eastern Europe, particularly Russia and Ukraine from what I understand, all the way to Iran. This ethnic group then spread as it says all the way to Northern India. Light skinned Indians e.g. Freddy Mercury lol are Aryan and their recent ancestors would’ve come from Iran most probably. A lot of people associate the word Aryan with Hitler’s bs. But Aryans are not so blonde and blue eyed per say, but they are ethnically white. I researched this a long time ago, I think Aryans are actually classed as caucasian. Anyways, the word “Iran” stems from “Aryan”, they sound similar don’t they? Iran simply means land of the Aryans. Iranians are a result of the “Second wave of Indo Aryans” when this ethnic group moved more into Iran from Russia and Eastern Europe.
The word “Persian” is used interchangeably to refer to either a specific ethnic group from the Pars area (so this excludes ethnicities such as Lur, Kurd, Baluch, Turk etc) of Iran or Iranian people as a whole. Our great grandmothers would know Iran by the name Persia. They changed it in the early 20th century for political reasons I believe. People used to until quite recently only know the country of Iran by the name Persia. Of course, the Persian gulf kept it’s name and did not change to the “Iranian gulf” Persian is also used to refer to the Farsi language. The issue is Persian is also the name of the largest empire the world has seen, and conquered lands were also known as Persian because the Persian people controlled them.
"While a categorization of a "Persian" ethnic group persists in the West, Persians have generally been a pan-national group often comprising regional people who often refer to themselves as ‘Persians’ and have also often used the term "Iranian" (in the ethnic-cultural sense). As a pan-national group, defining Persians as an ethnic group, at least in terms used in the West, is not inclusive since the ethnonym "Persian" includes several Iranian people including the speakers of Modern Persian. Some scholars, classify the speakers of Persian language as a single ethnic unit (the ‘Persians’) and exclude those Iranians who speak dialects of Persian, or other Iranian dialects closely related to Persian; however this approach to ethnicity in Iran is erroneous, since the designation Iranian (Irani) as an ethnic term has been used by all these ethnic group in Iran, including the “Persians” irrespective of their origin, language and religion.
The Persians are believed to be descendents of the Aryan (Indo-Europeans) tribes that began migrating from Central Asia into what is now Iran in the second millennium BCEThe Persian language and other Iranian tongues emerged as these Aryan tribes split up into two major groups, the Persians and the Medes, and intermarried with minority peoplesindigenous to the Iranian plateau such as the Elamites. The first mention of the Persians dates to the 9th century BCE, when they appear as the Parsu in Assyrian sources, as a people living at the southeastern shores of Lake Urmia.
The ancient Persians from the province of Pars became the rulers of a large empire under the Achaemenid dynasty (Hakhamaneshiyan) in the 6th century BCE, reuniting with the tribes and other provinces of the ancient Iranian plateau and forming the Persian Empire.:
Look, I’m not surprised your confused. Persian, Iranian and Aryan all kind of mean the same thing and yet they are not. It seems that ethnically speaking Aryan has turned into Persian which has turned into Iranian. As far as I’m concerned, in this day and age, if you are from Iran, your parents or whoever are from the current boarders of this lang then you are all three. Aryan’s were from so long ago that they would’ve all mixed into the current ethnicities too from intermarriage. Perhaps someone might be more ‘pure’ Aryan than someone else. But if you identify with the glorious country of Iran, just assume you’re all three.
Now, my head is exploding, my eyes are literally bursting out of their sockets (I’m sure you wanted that image lol) I’m off to sleep! Hope you’re somehow a little less confused. Research it, it’s very interesting! :)
Almost correct. Aryan refers to descendants of the Aryan race (Persians, Azeris, Kurds, and others), now a defunct term. Persian refers only to the ethnic group of Persians, (who make up 50-60% of Iran) and Iranian refers to any inhabitant of the country of Iran (Persians, Azeris, Kurds, Gilakis, et al).
This sums up exactly what I was trying to say in my flipping defunct mental state haha thank you!!!
'Aryan' comes from 'Arya', which means 'noble'. It's cognate with the Greek 'Aristoi', from which 'Aristocrat' is derived. 'Arya' was the endonym used by the Indo-Iranian folks who migrated into central Asia during the bronze age, and who eventually came to control most of the area. The Indo-Aryans were a subset of the Indo-Iranians, specifically the subset which came to control the Indian subcontinent, and, for a little while, a chunk of the fertile crescent.
A modern Perisan, Azeri, Kurd, etc., would have to have their DNA tested to find out how ‘Aryan’ they actually are, that is, how much actual Indo-Iranian blood they possess. The Indo-Iranians and Indo-Aryans didn’t march in and replace the natives of central Asia and the Iranian plateau, they intermingled with them, to the point of eventual absorption, so that today, far from being a homogenous ethnic group, Iranic and Indic people are highly mixed as a rule. There never was an ‘Aryan’ race, except in the imaginations of 19th century scholars who had a lot to learn, and Nazi types, who are some of the most misinformed people on the planet. An ethno-linuistic group is not a ‘race’.
More truth. :)